
By Joseph Williams,
Word In Black
The way Jourdan Sorrell sees it, between microaggressions at the office, the threat of getting stopped or shot by police, and societal definitions of masculinity, Black men in America are in a constant existential struggle. With the stress of moving through a world that often sees them as a threat, there isnโt much time to decompress, let alone heal.
Coincidentally, the same thoughts were on the mind of his friend Darrious Hillman, when the two met for lunch in Chicago in April. As they dined, Sorrell, a Comcast senior manager, and Hillman, executive director for CAN TV, a local public access channel, found themselves talking about the lack of a safe space for Black men to truthfully answer the question, โHowโs it going?โ
That conversation led the two to create โBrothers Talking,โ a monthly, hour-long program on CAN TV, the Chicago-based public access TV channel Hillman leads. Hosted by Dr. Obari Cartman, a professional psychologist, the show features a multigenerational group of Black men tackling topics from Black sexuality to toxic masculinity and the schools-to-prison pipeline.
โWeโre all just trying to eat, live, and do what we need to do daily,โ says Sorrell, talking with Hillman in a YouTube video about the showโs origin, and how difficult it can be for Black men to breathe. โVulnerability is not necessarily on the top of the list of things we need to do when we get up and when you go to sleep every night.โ
The simplicity of its format โ six Black of different generations, men sitting in a circle, talking to one another โ belies the significance of its mission: centering โthe lived experiences of
Black men โ the pain, joy, success, failure, and the resulting opportunities for growth and self-discovery,โ according to the showโs website.
In an interview with Word In Black, Cartman says the programโs goal is to create a safe space for honesty and vulnerability, which in turn can lead to healing from racial trauma.
Men talking to one another in male spaces, like barber shops and locker rooms, is nothing new, โbut sometimes we do it in ways that can be superficial and miss the point,โ Cartman says. โIn my experience, men are good at โbarbershop talkโ โ trading opinions, theories, talking about celebrities, talking about women. Sometimes we posture a little bit,โ all the while avoiding conversations about whatโs going on in their lives.
The point of Black Men Talking is to โredirect the theoretical talk into their own personal experiences,โ he says. โNot โThis is what I think about it,โ but โThis is what I feel. This is what I learned from my trials and tribulations.โโ
Besides representing Black men of different generations, each of the regular panelists comes from different socioeconomic backgrounds, political perspectives, and sexual orientations. At the top of every show, they take a few minutes to discuss their progress on a life goal theyโve set for themselves before digging into the main topic of conversation.
Even the manner in which they sit contributes to the goal of honesty and healing, Cartman says.
โItโs a roundtable, but there is no table โ itโs like a peace circle,โ he says. โThe goal is to connect to ancient Indigenous formats of problem-solving and connections, looking eye-to-eye. The circle itself represents a sort of sacred space.โ
Although his job is to keep the conversation going, โI support them to the extent that I can, as another Black man that โs trying to figure it out myself,โ says Cartman, whose expertise includes Black masculinity, restorative justice, and trauma-informed care. โThe mission is to help Black men and boys be our best selves, be aware of the strengths we have.โ
Cartman says racial healing is at the center of the program, and not just for the men on camera.
โWhen I think about the diagnosis, the analysis of the harm, a lot of it has to do with long harm โ racial trauma, generations of a system in place that brought our ancestors to this country,โ Cartman says. Black people in America, he says, are subject to โa lot of spiritual, emotional, psychological warfare. I think we are still unpacking and undoing some of the damage.โ
The repair, โincludes bringing (people) back into a community space to remember who we are,โ Cartman says. โRestoration includes community. โI believe there is healing in just gathering. Weโre doing that on the air. Weโre creating space to gather and demonstrate it for other men.โ
โThe power,โ he says, โis in the simplicity of the conversation.โ
This article was originally published by Word In Black and produced in partnership with the W.K. Kellogg Foundation.

